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September 08, 2004

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LuckyHat

If Russia is serious, they can start by joining the coalition in Iraq. Once stable, on to Iran and Syria.


NotchJohnson

Lets hope they still can put some fear into people and haven't been Europeanized into worrying about the French.

What if Russia joins us, does that still mean there is no coalition.

CJ Wolf

"My friends, now is the time to join our Russian friends and drain the swamp and kill all the mosquitoes."

We can't do that, 1st the swamp is a wetland and 2nd the mosquitoes are endangered and third Russia is not our friend.

Extremely Extreme Extremist

"Military action is the last resort in the fight agaisnt terrorism."

Wrong. It's the first action a nation must take, and IMO Russia is bloviating here because they talked tough after the Moscow theater tragedy and did nothing then.

Let the Russkies fight their own battles after they screwed us on Iraq. These terrorists were funded and support by the old Soviet Union for years anyhow.

stevem

"My friends, now is the time to join our Russian friends and drain the swamp and kill all the mosquitoes."

We are already there. If Putin and Co. are serious, it's time for them to join us. They might start by asking Bush how they can help. In their own back yard they might send Chechnya the way of Carthage.

wayoverontheright

The Russian reaction at the very least will validate PREEMPTION and certainly puts leftists in the position of reevaluating UNILATERALISM.
The terrorists have awakened the Ruskies from their slumber, we may well have a strategically placed partner now in putting pressure on Iran and North Korea.

Big blunder this one, on the part of the enemy.

Thrusher

"My friends, now is the time to join our Russian friends and drain the swamp and kill all the mosquitoes"

Amen. A terrorist meets his objectives when his intended targets cringe in fear, or when they come to his table to plead for peace. A terrorist meets his objectives when his enemies "withdraw" in order to avoid future terrorism. A terrorist even meets his objectives when he dies, as long as his death strikes fear into his victims. A terrorist's most fundamental weapon is fear, and terrorism cannot be defeated until that weapon, fear, is turned back upon the terrorist, and those who support him. Half-measures and politically-motivated rules of engagement only succeed in getting our noble soldiers killed and emboldening the terrorists.

To paraphrase Ann Coulter: invade their countries, kill their leaders, hunt them down in the streets, slaughter them like dogs, and convert their neighbors to democracy.

Rutles4Ever

Not sure we want Russia getting involved with Iraq... don't need the "we'll take over from here" mentality creeping in like it did at Yalta.

And no, I don't trust Putin further than I can throw him.

LuckyHat

I don't know about "trusting" him, but the Rooskies are seriously pissed. They feel they have to show strength here or they will be viewed to be as weak as France or Spain.

This is a genuine opportunity to cement another vested, motivated, ally in the war on terror. I say, welcome aboard.

Yalta, with all respect, was in 1945 with a USSR under Stalin. IMO, that was a different time and a different world.


Former Proud Canadian

I don't think Russian troops would be welcome in Iraq by the US, the UK, the Turks, the Iraqis, or the Kurds. They could come in very handy, however, for the coming storm in Iran.

Bonnie

Rutles4Ever!! No way! Neil Innes is a friend of mine, and it's not very often I come across someone with Rutles in their name! Very cool.

LuckyHat

It all depends on their motivation. If their motivation was really to stamp out the terrorist cockroaches, then we could use the help.

However, I do agree with a trust but verify policy. After all, they were huge recipients of the corrupt U.N. fuel for food program.

Maybe I'm dreaming, but I would love to see Russian troops guarding the pipelines to Basra. Their soldiers are competent, well trained, and harsh. (and the left in Europe and America cannot critize anything they do) It would free up a lot of our troops to move north.

dog breath

The Russians can be our ally like in WW11, and best of all there is no Stalin to back stab us after the war. Our country needs all the real allies with muscle it can find! Not that a war against Islamic terrorists is something that has a definite ending. I for one am willing to ignore the traditional Russian brutality in their conduct of this war because the Islamic nut cases are much worse. We are bogged down in Iraq and stretched way too thin, so bombs away Mr Putin.

Adrian Spidle

Britain supports Russia's threat of pre-emptive strikes

www.chinaview.cn 2004-09-09 03:47:50


LONDON, Sept. 8 (Xinhuanet) -- British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw on Wednesday voiced his support for Russia's threat to carry out pre-emptive strikes against terrorist bases outside its territory.

"I think the reaction is an understandable one," said Straw in London on Wednesday after Russia's chief of staff Yuri Baluyevsky said Russia is prepared to launch pre-emptive strikes against "terrorist bases" in any part of the world.

"The United Nations charter does give the right of self-defenseand the UN itself has accepted that an imminent or likely threat of terrorism certainly entitles any state to take appropriate action," Straw said, adding "I don't think President Putin was talking about launching any immediate attack."

More than 300 people, about half of them children, were killed by militants and more than 700 wounded in a siege in Russia's southern republic of North Ossetia. Some 30 heavily-armed terrorists seized a local school, holding about 1,000 children and adults hostage for over 51 hours.

British Prime Minister Tony Blair on Tuesday expressed his "sympathy and horror" over the bloody end of the Russian hostages crisis, saying Britain stand firmly behind Russia's fight against terrorism.

Also on Tuesday, local media said, Britain's Queen Elizabeth IImade an undisclosed sum of personal donation to British Red Cross to support survivors and families of those that died in the terrorist attack in North Ossetia.

Mooser

The Chechnyan rebels are the descendants of the mujahadeen which we, starting with Reagan armed and supported. A manifesto in support of the Chechnyans was recently promulgated and signed by many prominent neo-conservatives. These guys are on our side. The thought of joining with Commies to defeat a nation striving for freedom fills me with disgust. If only Americans had half the determination and moral clarity if the Chechnyans, we would not be.. not be.. well we wouldn't be something, that's for sure! Whatever our sqeamishness about their tactics, which is to our credit for sure, we must overcome it and support these "freedom fighters", "the moral equivalent of our founding fathers" as the greatest of all US Presidents, Ronald Reagan, put it. It's time to support these brave men and women in their struggle against the Communists. You want to ally the US with Russia? Hey, why don't we let them come over and run the US for us.
I detect Communist influence, or even subversion in a lot of the posts here.

Mooser

"There are clear links between the global Mujihadeen and Chechen separatists. It is suspected that Shamil Basayev, leader of a Chechen separatist group, played a part in organising, or perhaps sanctioning, the Beslan school siege. He, like other Chechen separatist leaders, is reported to be a veteran of the Mujihadeen training camps in Afghanistan. These were originally set up with American backing in the 1980s, to train Afghans, Arabs and others to take on the invading Soviet army; US officials estimate that between 1985 and 1992, 12,500 foreigners were trained in bomb-making, sabotage, urban guerrilla warfare and other military tactics in these CIA-sponsored camps."
http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/0000000CA6CA.htm

Mooser

"...in the US, the leading group which pleads the Chechen cause is the American Committee for Peace in Chechnya (ACPC). The list of the self-styled "distinguished Americans" who are its members is a rollcall of the most prominent neoconservatives who so enthusastically support the "war on terror".

They include Richard Perle,Elliott Abrams of Iran-Contra fame; Kenneth Adelman, the former US ambassador to the UN who egged on the invasion of Iraq by predicting it would be "a cakewalk"; Midge Decter, biographer of Donald Rumsfeld and a director of the rightwing Heritage Foundation; Frank Gaffney of the militarist Centre for Security Policy; Bruce Jackson, former US military intelligence officer and one-time vice-president of Lockheed Martin, now president of the US Committee on Nato; Michael Ledeen of the American Enterprise Institute, now a leading proponent of regime change in Iran; and R James Woolsey, the former CIA director who is one of the leading cheerleaders behind George Bush's plans to re-model the Muslim world along pro-US lines.
The ACPC heavily promotes the idea that the Chechen rebellion shows the undemocratic nature of Putin's Russia"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1299318,00.html

Mooser

Go ahead, make common cause with the Commies and the Soviets, seek to weaken and destroy America, and denigrate and degrade, or degrade and denigrate (it's up to you) the sacrifices of our Guys-and-Gals in Uniform! Just don't complain to me when "Chairman Adrian" leads you straight into the Russian Gulag! Maybe you could send me a bag of ice from Siberia.

Adrian Spidle


"I detect Communist influence, or even subversion in a lot of the posts here.

Posted by: Mooser"

Wait 'til my friend Bonnie of the Left starts posting. She's hesitant about voting+ for Kerry 'cause he's controlled by Big Business.

She is now an author on the Public Enquiry Project.

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